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Post by dbeetle on Aug 3, 2013 21:07:38 GMT -5
Also don't limit the idea to just one style or market, think big. I'm a speed skater personally, I love to race. It'd be awesome if speed parts were more easily available for less than 2-3 hundred dollar s rig. That's what the roads are for after all as a guide to unite all the skating disciplines under a communally accepted banner. To give us a focus on how we skate and guide us to help improve.
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Post by Laith (Lion) on Aug 3, 2013 21:14:35 GMT -5
I really love you guys. Seriously Thank you for the discussion. As far as getting the money into what we love, we have to figure out a way to bring it to the forefront of thought. We need to really get ourselves out there to get the industry to notice us as a viable demographic again. Once that publicity and coverage starts up people with an interest will come first. Then with a larger base to work with we start really getting into designing parts and developing ideas, eventually during this process the media will actively seek out the originators and the great(The Kings hopefully), who could then relay the information and ideas about who we are and what we do directly to the industry. I personally will try to get the kids who call me Santa interested in skating and some of them who have been watching me for a while are starting to pick it up. Meanwhile I will do my best to work on ideas and designs with you guys so that when the time comes we can revolutionize our art the way we see fit. It will take time, but hey anything worth doing and doing well takes time. Science will be our focal point for design, especially physics and engineering. Not to mention a strong base in these will help improve everything about us< as well as show people," Hey were aren't just a bunch of nostalgic street punks were physicist and engineers, artist and designer as well as athletes. This will help separate Storm Rider culture from the others, since we'll have an intellectual as well as paraphernalia and artistically driven hobby and way of life. Hehehe, I like to dream big. If your really interested in our "storm rider culture" to become ours then we need to start a new thread and discuss two things 1. Renaming things (we can't use airgear terms ) 2. A rollerblade that aesthetic is similar to the more generic AT but is fully functional (minus the scifi power and memory cards): has ankle support, durable and can do both gap and grinds whilst still have two big wheels... Ps sorry if discussing AT is taboo I tried to be realistic
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Post by Laith (Lion) on Aug 3, 2013 21:16:36 GMT -5
Also don't limit the idea to just one style or market, think big. I'm a speed skater personally, I love to race. It'd be awesome if speed parts were more easily available for less than 2-3 hundred dollar s rig. That's what the roads are for after all as a guide to unite all the skating disciplines under a communally accepted banner. To give us a focus on how we skate and guide us to help improve. Actually that's a bad idea it will divide us we should all stick to one general type and customise from there although technically they all may be rollerblades they are very different from each other
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Post by dbeetle on Aug 3, 2013 21:37:57 GMT -5
Why not just do it here, that's what I started this thread for. For discussion like what you are proposing. A new look for a new generation.
As for design, I didn't mean the regalia. That's 1.Too Fictitious to have any real possibility, and 2. Scientifically implausible to create. The generic design with the two wheels can easily be modified to suite our needs. It's a new look, but could easily accommodate what we already have. Not a massive change, but enough to catch some peoples attention.
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Post by dbeetle on Aug 3, 2013 21:47:18 GMT -5
Also don't worry about taboo, I love Air Gear, but I fully understand how silly it is.
After some thought, I see what you mean my earlier statement. To clarify I mean the various skater markets like the speed, aggressive and even casual markets. If we don't adapt for them as well we'll just further alienate ourselves which won't help in my opinion.
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Post by Laith (Lion) on Aug 3, 2013 22:18:16 GMT -5
We can discuss it here, I feel like we need a standard to work upon* to keep everyone together (until (though its highly unlikely) a skate comes that can become a true standard skate for us) . I'm glad you share my views on keeping things real, airgear is awesome but if we fantasise too much we won't be taken seriously
*eg a maximum wheel size of XX mm, ankle support, ability to at least do such and such tricks
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Post by dbeetle on Aug 3, 2013 22:35:46 GMT -5
I feel like the standard is the everyday, standard recreational skate, the one you can get from Walmart and Target style chain stores. They are what the masses know and have easy access to, so it would be a good starting point. In my opinion, other skates exist, in a way, as modifications of this form. Aggressive skates are sturdier and have smaller wheels, and Speed skates have a low cut boot and larger wheels and frames.
I wouldn't worry about tricks just yet. I for one am terrible at tricks, I'm a racer at my core.
As for a truer standard, I feel we need more people to discuss this with to get a better feel of the current community and its goals as a whole.
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Post by Andy (vampfrog) on Aug 4, 2013 0:29:20 GMT -5
I dont think the tricks shold keep there names, other wise we aleanate alot of riders. I honistly think there could be a happy median betwen all styles of skating that can be had technology wise. Speed aggresive cone
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Post by Shadow on Aug 4, 2013 4:13:32 GMT -5
We won't get anywhere thinking like this. Laith is trying "being realistic" too hard and forgets that mobile phone was a fiction just some 30 years ago. Technology is something that evolves tremendously fast and who knows what will appear in the nearest 5 years. DBeetle is a dreamer, which is fine, dreamers are the key component to start revolution. As well as Yami and myself.
What I mean is, if we do want to start a revolution we need to find a balance between the possible and the impossible. I myself am a dreamer, and I am really bad at exact sciences, but I do know that making an AT prototype isn't that much impossible. We already know that one has been made. It's quite bulky, it's controlled by switches on a handguard, but hell, it moves! And all the mechanics engines and batteries are stored inside the frames and wheels! Think about it, we don't really need to invent new boots, why not use aggressive boots? They have that UFS frame mounting system, and if we manage to get somewhere the running gear: special frame, batteries and engines, and mount it on a aggressive boot. Moreover, there's so much variety in aggressive boots. There are traditional hardboots, carbon softboots, skeletons. Quite the selection, in my opinion. Think that it's impossible and I'm talking nonsence? Think again.
Even that R.E.A.D. can be made, at least a kind of! Again, look at modern mobile phones. You can turn them on the one side and the screen image turns as well. It is controlled by an accelerometer. Why not use a kind of that thing to measure the trick properties, like height and degrees? Sure, that would be another kind of accelerometer, designed to withstand high vibrations and impacts.
What I mean is, it is possible to make a prototype. Not in the nearest decades or years. Today. Now. It's really only the question of money, I doubt that there's any enthusiastic engineers among us who would work for kudos.
You say we can't use the Air Treck term or name or whatever it is? Well I say why the hell not? We are the ones who's going to bring our sport to a whole new level, we have the right to call it however we want and screw all that licensing bullshit, we'll advertise the term's owner (if there's any) for free by our actions and why the hell we must pay for it? Isn't it our nature? Rider's nature? To go against?
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Post by inferno1234561 on Aug 4, 2013 7:18:57 GMT -5
the way i see it is we could make one right now but it wont be a proper AT. the "powered skating" thing would probibly be a cruse control type of thing where you have like a wind-up engine where everytime you push a little bit of that energy gets stored and when you push a botten and hit a switch in your hand or boot the energy get relesed. only problem is you might overcharge the engine and brake it. but you guys get the idea right?
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Post by Andy (vampfrog) on Aug 4, 2013 11:47:58 GMT -5
Motorized skates are not unresonable. They are esentuly a rc car on your foot geared for high torque. Under stand with curent tech its not gana push you to over 60mph with out being overly bulky and cumbersum, baterys are too heavy and to low amp, brushless moters are heavy were talking about a 30+lb skate (per skate). If you look at the specs for the prototype out it lackes in many aspects, low runtime low top speed low acseloration and alot of extra weight. The low top speed is due to the direct drive system, the wheel can only spin as fast as the motor vs a geared system where you can ether increase torque or top speed using diferent gear ratios the reason bikes and skate boards have production modles of there motorized counterpart is becaue whaight and space is less of an issue. With a frame that creates energy and then releses it you will still need a batery to stor the energy and with curent methods of generating energy through things like wind turbines youll have to skate a long time befor you get enuff charge foe a quick boost(not nesasaraly a bad thing) this idea seems like its going in to the territory of prepetual motion machines some thing that generates as much enery as it uses
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Post by dbeetle on Aug 4, 2013 13:19:24 GMT -5
Hahaha very interesting discussion, I love it.
I agree with both Shadow and Laith in a way. Dream big, and with the realistic perspective, make that dream a reality.
As for making functioning AT, it is possible, though maybe not to the magical "fun" extent, however it will take a good deal of time to let technology reach a point where it would be easier to accomplish. All the while we will continue our designing and theorizing.
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Post by Laith (Lion) on Aug 5, 2013 1:28:34 GMT -5
You talk like you yourself are capable of contributing in some meaningful way, look that technology and computers are the result of governments Pushing the development of technology especially during the war you can't compare that to lets say 100,000 otakus (and that's being generous), you know why I think we should be realistic because there will never be AT. why? Because the one who created airgear was neither a blader nor engineer. Yes I have seen the prototypes I have done all the research .. Forgetting power there's other problems first durability the skates can't be used to do anything other than cruise because they will not be durable enough for jumps and second no big company would fund something so unsafe neither would the government sanction it... Please don't compare your self too people who actually revolutionise things your a dreamer sure but that's all, if your realistic and train all the time you can raise your skill to a level where people would think you came out of airgear.. Why do I not want to use the terms either? Because we are trying to make something that isn't airgear it's our own thing and we want it to be taken seriously
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Post by Laith (Lion) on Aug 5, 2013 1:39:12 GMT -5
My comment is a reply to shadows, I isn't him quote him because I'm on a phone and its not behaving
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Post by M on Aug 5, 2013 4:45:36 GMT -5
Guys, in regard to motorized skates, I believe its already been done and discussing its development is pointless unless you literally have the resources and plans currently at hand to outmatch these. They're "Motorblades". They're basically ready to sell. They add about 15mph to your speed, can flawlessly transition from forward to backward while motorized, can be used as normal skates when the batteries die and look like Xjados with a Powerblade setup. They're the best ones available. In all my research, these are the as close as anyone will get, however, despite sounding so grand, I thin the cons outweigh the pros. There is currently no real footage of them, only pictures, so performance is something that's pretty unknown. You'd probably end up fucking them up if you attempt to execute a jump or slide, or if you go too fast. They only talk about cruising, and I "cruise" pretty fast. If the motors fuck uo after a certain amount of speed, its not worth it. Second, the replacement parts would cost a fortune, not to mention these cost around $1,300 or more, according to what a rider here heard from them, he helped me out by calling the company which was very kind of him. So, for $1,300 you'd add 15 miles to your base cruising speed, but give up all the fun and freedom you get with skates powered by you and your own abilities and skill. Not to mention the bloody price tag! I'd rather get me some custom Mathieu Ledoux Carbon III's with Thunder Demon wheels, brand new Kizer Level 2's (so my worn ones don't clash) and the fanciest, fastest bearings out there, plus I'd have enough left over for many replacement parts, armor, lube and a fancy bag to carry it all, with that kind of cash. XD
Normal skates have yet to reach the peak of their evolution, which means riders, too, have a long way to go before they're ready for the next step. Whether their next form are reminiscent to the style of "AT's" or Jet Set Radio's "Rocket Skates", we still have much to improve with the equipment currently available, same goes for the "roads" riders follow. I think we're getting their. I mean, the latest advancement can be argued was when "tricks" were discovered. Now, I feel the next logical step would be to figure out what they're for, ya know? Find their purpose and give them an a better reason to exist other than just looking cool.
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