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Post by Andy (vampfrog) on Mar 12, 2013 15:41:05 GMT -5
if you cold make any frame how would you do it were talking: wheal size materials mounting systems
only restriction is use real materials and real (current) technology, (i know we have levitating super magnets and brushles motors the size of pencil erasers but that's not why i put this up)
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Post by Shadow on Mar 12, 2013 15:55:35 GMT -5
Oh, I have an idea.
Max wheel size: 80 mm. Material: aluminum mainframe and plastic grind walls (Like Kizer Arrow). Mount: UFS It would have brand new CRS technology and have an asymmetrical design. This combines the idea of "powerblading" with even more customization options from Custom Ride System, specifically it's urethane damper. Powerblading already has broke the barriers, and CRS will help to erase them almost completely.
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Post by Andy (vampfrog) on Mar 12, 2013 16:07:40 GMT -5
the frames that i would like to have consist of things that aren't that ground braking but i don't think they have been made yet (if they have i cant find them) make wheal size: 110mm set up: freestyle material: resin or thermo plastic of some kind (that's pretty much all plastics) mounting: 3 bolts (maybe usf with a added center bolt hole with out the 20mm keyed mount) front to rear axle spacing about 267mm (around the same length of aggressive frames) free style h block gos over wheel slightly (kinda like kaltik flat frames or the new bake frames)
cons i can see off the bat, will be hard to do cess slides with 110/105mm wheels, unstable for landing large gaps, 110/105mm wheels are normally soft and have a large core(lots of new wheels will be needed), having the 3rd mount in the center of the h block will be hard to remove as plastic and was starts filling up the hole to get to the mounting bolt, that annoying thing on kaltik frames where peaces of plastic from the frame start breaking and pushing against your wheals (noisy and slows you down), 2 wheals will have less control (compared to rocker) (ps. 3 wheel 105,110,105 frames sound kinda fun too)
pros i can see of the bat, fast, large h block, better power transfer (fast), good shock observation (if i don't twist my ankle), shorter frame will allow me to keep a sharp turning radius.
i know allot of cons but that just because im a pessimist haha
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Post by Shadow on Mar 12, 2013 16:21:29 GMT -5
Don't you think that riding a +100mm. wheel setup is not really good idea? I think wheels shouldn't get any bigger that 90 mm... Think about it, same gaps can be cleared with 80 mm. flat setup, but it is a lot harder than regular aggressive flat/anti-rocker setup. A LOT.
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Post by Andy (vampfrog) on Mar 12, 2013 17:05:24 GMT -5
what makes landing gaps on larger wheals harder is the increased leverage the frames have on your ankles, but with the extra speed as long as you land strate every time the down force of the fall should in theory be all transfered to forward momentum, its risky but im willing to try it, they make 3 wheeled 110 mm ufs frames for the doop skates so im gana see if i can get my hands on a set of them.
i have been doing some gaps on 80mm anti rocker and its not that bad probly gana go back to flat just because i don't have soul plates on that skate so all anti is good for is soles and front/back slides, no royals with no backside plat and royal variations are def becoming my fave grind because of how they feel.
and they need to come out the crs soon i want those spaces haha
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Post by John (bostonsk8er) on Mar 15, 2013 14:33:50 GMT -5
Bigger isn't always better... Check your physics for proof. That said, UFS isn't going anywhere. Its tried and tested, and the industry won't change it, despite years of lobbying. As for aluminum/metal coes, it h as been done. The price keeps it to a minimum. The CRS is a great idea. I am investing in it myself, and hopefully it works out. As for powerblading, it isn't a new idea. Aggressive skates came standard with 76mm wheels way back when. It's just impractical for tricks unless you want unwieldy frames that feel like riding skis. Lol.
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Post by Shadow on Mar 15, 2013 15:03:50 GMT -5
As for powerblading, it isn't a new idea. Even if so, what then? I'd never use traditional aggressive frame, just because it's so damn limiting. Doing sharp turns is almost impossible, penny-sized wheels won't let you go fast. Sacrificing pretty much anything a rollerblade can give just because of the ability to grind? I'm not that stupid. Powerblading frames are DESIGNED for this. To go fast, to fit big wheels and for grinding. Take a look at Kizer's Level 2 frame. Show me at least one old school +70mm frame, that was designed keeping in mind ALL of the above.
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Post by Andy (vampfrog) on Mar 15, 2013 16:42:09 GMT -5
It is true that 70 some mm is where it started and the use to have the metal grind plates instead of an h block, and yes bigger isn't always better but I havet seen ether done yet and would at least like to see how it feels to ride 110 freestyle and 3 wheeled 110 rockered (sounds way less stable saying if ur not leaning forward or back ur only on one wheel) and I know the "industry" wont Chang ufs but that's not the point of the post think if you had the resources to make any frame you wanted.
What wheel size and set up do you like?
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Post by John (bostonsk8er) on Mar 28, 2013 21:11:55 GMT -5
Currently riding on either Creates with 56mm UCs flat or Kizer Slimline 1s with 59mm Scribes and SWS UHMW antis, but I can max out around 72 mm on the Kizers. As for turning, I finf I get a tighter turn radius with short frames and small wheels. Also ther is a HUGE downside to grinding on powerblade frames in that the height of the frame makes them inherently unstable on h block tricks or groove tricks. I'm not against them, as I can see them as a great point a to point b commuting device, I just see no point in enormous height and length being added, just to gain a touch more speed, while sacrificing tight turns and half my trick vocabulary, ya dig?
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Post by John (bostonsk8er) on Mar 28, 2013 21:17:41 GMT -5
And given the resources, I would make an aluminum cored, UHMW suspension frame, kind of a cross between the CO CRS frame and the old 50/50 core system frames, with a groove similair to the 50/50 frame. I'd max the height on wheels to 58 mm ffor height reasons, and the frames would have a six point attachment system. Two bolts in front, two in back, and two on either side of the groove, with the soul being the same piece as the frame, similair to old non UFS Salomons.
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Post by Shadow on Mar 29, 2013 2:24:15 GMT -5
while sacrificing tight turns and half my trick vocabulary, ya dig? Since when performing tight turns with +76 mm. wheels become not possible? From my own experience I can say that I can perform extremely sharp turn and dead stops with 80 mm. flat setup. And while using aggressive 59 mm. anti-rocker setup I needed more than 10 meters to stop, because wheels were too hard and small for effective braking. Here's the thing: why do you think race cars have big brakes? Because they cool down faster, have a lot more working surface thus increasing the overall braking effectiveness. I can bet 76-80 mm. flat setup will brake to a dead stop a less than half of distance needed for 59 mm. anti-rocker setup.
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Post by John (bostonsk8er) on Mar 30, 2013 1:05:31 GMT -5
I agree it will stop quicker... and leave flat spots on your wheels as well. Lol. The reason they stop quicker is they are softer urethane, plain and simple. Larger wheels equal longer frame. Longer frame reduces turn radius and maneuverability. The height, as I said is an issue in and of itself. I will concede that it is entirely dependent on perdonal preference and/or riding style. As an aggressive inliner, I find harder wheels last longer, and better suit my needs with their flatter profile, while sacrificing top speed, which I don't need.
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Post by Shadow on Mar 30, 2013 1:14:58 GMT -5
I agree it will stop quicker... and leave flat spots on your wheels as well. Lol. The reason they stop quicker is they are softer urethane, plain and simple. Larger wheels equal longer frame. Longer frame reduces turn radius and maneuverability. The height, as I said is an issue in and of itself. I will concede that it is entirely dependent on perdonal preference and/or riding style. As an aggressive inliner, I find harder wheels last longer, and better suit my needs with their flatter profile, while sacrificing top speed, which I don't need. If aggressive frames indeed are more maneuverable than everything else, then slalom skaters would use them as maneuverability is their highest priority. But for some reason they are not. Hm, I wonder why is it so. The most part of stock wheels do erase fast. But, there's many good wheels, which last a lot longer than anything. Hyper Concrete +Grip, Any wheels from Matter, Undercover Powerblading one. They all are of 85A hardness and more, and pretty long lasting. I wonder how are you going to win any F-Class of E-Class battle.
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Post by Andy (vampfrog) on Mar 30, 2013 1:42:15 GMT -5
smaller wheels also have greater accelerationon per push so in s tight environment where obstacles are close together smaller wheels will have the advantage the top speed of larger wheels wont matter if you dont have the space to get to top speed as far as free skating goes the 80mm rockered set up alows for the performance of a smaller frame with biger wheels, this sad it still lacks that turn on a dime on smaller wheels with a rockered set up. free skating involves a good bit of speed, it would look stupid if you were doing it at slow speed. as far as you riding flat i personaly think flat is too much like skieing if you use all 8 wheels i would go with rocker sorry im not hiting spell check im drunk
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Post by M on Apr 2, 2013 21:20:02 GMT -5
Personally, I'm really digging this Kizer Level 2 setup with the 76mm wheels. I can whole heartedly say that my maneuvering abilities are at there peak. I still don't see myself ever going back to an Aggressive style set up. The Powerblade setups available provide a perfect balance of everything a rider who's looking for more to do than just tricks. The small aggressive wheels, at least for me, couldn't stand the speed I was throwing at them. I tried various kinds but they were still limiting. The faster I'd go, the more they'd spin. The more they spam, the hotter they'd get, thusly, the more damage they'd try to endure before "blowing out" completely. I think my ideal frame would be something with a bit if a larger H Block with the speed and maneuvering abilities provided by larger wheels, byt have them be virtually weightless. xD Haha The only "issues" is having to relearn your stalls to accommodate the bigger wheels, which is no big deal, and they're heavier then aggressive set ups, depending on the boots, I'm sure. I'm using Genesys boots and those arent the lightest on the market, that's for sure. haha That's fine though, its just another thing that's easily adaptable I still wouldn't sacrifice all the abilities I have just to grind easier. XD Then again, I may be more patient then most.
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